FLIGHTS FROM MUNICH TO LONDON
New Purpose: Flight Tracking
2017-04-29 German airlines drop safety rule prompted by
Vote with your feet (or credit card) : Book with airlines that
keep 2 people in cockpit !
Old Purpose: Help find & book cheap
return flights from Munich to London especially Gatwick
I am NOT a Travel Agent
I Am A Computer Systems Engineer And Unix
DO NOT ASK ME FOR ADVICE ON FLIGHTS
Airlines are welcome to contact me to
Pay Me to fix their broken web sites to
work better & easier.
Other than that please only mail me, short
factual corrections, Thanks.
, Until reviewed it's in an indented box , & on a separate page, as wide, else it compromise the
format of the rest of this page
- DUS: Dusseldorf [= Düsseldorf = Duesseldorf]
As a result of difficult web sites, I buy less flights than I
otherwise would, probably others buy less too, &/or use
airlines with easier web booking systems. Airlines would sell
more tickets if they made selecting & buying a ticket
less trouble !
(The alternative of phoning or going to a travel agent is
not always attractive - risk getting stuck behind some long
enquirer, some agents don't do the discount tickets, &/
or with a lower chance of friendly service than in the UK.
has plenty of friendly travel agents, still Munich on
average (not with reference to travel agents in particular)
doesn't treat customers as well as South East England &
London, though there are exceptions both ways, including
both exceptionally good and bad service in both locations.
(Each country & locality has strong & weak points,
just like web sites too. In each case it's best to adopt
good ideas & approaches from wherever, not to be
foolishly offended when told somewhere else does something
Of course airlines make more from money per head from
Many will be in a business mode: "I always travel XYZ-Air,
booked by my in house travel agent" they won't care that
they can't see prices, just flight times, taking the
attitude "Rip my company with another scheduled flight, I'm
too busy to care about price."
But there aren't enough business travelers or seats overall
sold in this shrunken economy,
So airlines Should make it easier for normal people with
some budget constraints to find & book a maximal number
of flights per year.
OK there's tons of 'em with web too, I'm just listing a few.
Loads more by Search
THE DEFICIENCIES OF AIRLINE WEB SITES
Airlines are so stupid they don't learn from each others'
sites. They fail to comply with basics of good design, (&
by Good design I Don't mean some rubbish a graphic artist or
ad. executive thinks is glitzy
mean something simple & easy a customer in a rush can get
through quickly to find & buy a cheap ticket, before
customer curses, decides the whole Pain is taking too long,
& gives up looking & goes back to doing some Work.
- Don't Clutter Pages Too much rubbish for
shareholders, flight shops & etc. The prime purpose of an
airline is to Sell Seats. Everything else like investor
relations is secondary (the investors want you to Sell Seats
too!), & should be separate, down the screen, in a
smaller font. The airline already has the investors money
& interest, & the employee's interest etc, to
encourage them to work through web sites they probably half
know already, but the airline doesn't have the browser
customers money until it Sells A Ticket - the Prime Objective
- Fonts Buying flights should not be in asserted
small fonts - Some use 1600 x 1200 screens (& bigger),
& then fonts come out small, if asserted, so best leave
fonts un asserted.!
- Colour Don't use Blue for non- click-able text, as
it's what most browsers use For click-able text. Don't use
hard to read fore/background combinations.
- Big Buy Buttons Stupidly small "Select / Find
Price" buttons, make no sense !: When the customer has found
his flight give him a Big button to buy the ticket with,
don't make him hunt how to buy
- Scrap Logins ! - Don't Play The Spanish
Inquisition Some EG Lufthansa want to know too
much about you before they'll sell you a ticket. ( They used
to be so obstructive they wouldn't even tell you flight
schedules before you'd identified yourself.)
- Don't Hide Prices EG Lufthansa.
- Don't Assume Departure Airport Mandates Choice Of
Language Some assume your departure airport defines your
language: Example of such naive stupidity: Air France. Not everyone
flying from Germany is a native German speaker. Some may
prefer English, Spanish, etc Intelligent counter example: KLM (PS & don't get stupid
like Google, who
assume just 'cos your browser is coming from .de, you really
want to read German even though you typed google.com
- Don't Shove Shockwave Or Microsoft On Front Page
Some EG Sabena Not every
browser has Shockwave or can download a compatible version to
their browser & operating system. Sabena are so stupid they even
promote Microsoft on their front page - 2 really dumb ways to
scare off some customers before they even start.
Shockwave Note "Why not get
the flash plug in ?". Personally, I'm a computer consultant who avoids Microsoft like
the plague ! . I only run binaries I've built myself from free public source code. (No viruses !
Source allows one to fix or change anything needed, no
ongoing license costs & addiction/ dependency). I'm not
aware of Shockwave in public source code. Linux Mozilla may
supports a flash plug & FreeBSD supports Linux binaries,
but that'd still be an imported binary.
- Accept Credit Cards From Not Just UK EG not like
Expedia Who don't even
use a "Sorry, we only accept other cards or cheques for an
extra handling fee" A friend told me later that expedia.de
will take German cards.
- Show Dates In Unmistakable Easy Edit Format EG Not
Avoid American scrambled non progressive dates in strings EG
MMDDYYYY not even with spaces, separators or in separate
boxes, - a great blinkered way to confuse rest of world. I
guess those insular types never heard of logical/ programming
& accountancy & type dates EG YYYY MM DD HH MM (which
is ideal for sorted lists too)
- Don't Make Flight Schedules Un-copy-able Some like
go-fly.com used to have their flight schedules as a graphical
image so you couldn't mouse copy it as text for an offline
copy. they got bought out, good riddance to one more bad web
- Don't Flash Excrement Adverts Or Gimmick EG British Midland
- Don't Excrete Cookies or
Demand Java Many don't trust that security invasive
stuff. I don't accept that rubbish, except in a separate
login which owns no real files, so the unwanted excrement
cannot compromise my data.
- Some web design
(KISS) ideas in German language.
- Allow Flexible Date Searches, (Not just fixed
dates) Being able to click on "Look for nearby dates too"
is very useful.
- Don't Use Meaningless Fare Scheme or Product Names
Many of us have no interest in learning such rubbish.
- Tech note: IP MTU: Airlines
might be wise to test after asserting a TCP MTU of 1492 (or
even less), so that even those with an un compensated DSL
gateway can still guarantee to select & purchase flights,
even if gateway not achieving the expected MTU=1500. Applied
to http://www.go-fly.com & some other sites (airlines
Details of plane(s) that have flown this route. (So that when
booking a flight you can see what you'll be traveling
Feel free to (mail me
you've used On This Route, that are Still Flying This Route,
or even better, mail me URLs to other sites who will maintain
better detail & save me the bother).
Boeing 737-300 (as
used by Go.)
- 11 in service with Go @ 8.1999
- up to 148 passengers
- 2640km/1650 miles
- 2 x General Electric/SNECMA CF56-31Cs or 3B1s each
producing 22,000 lbs or 20,000 lbs thrust
- Take-Off Speed 178 mph (285 kph)
- Cruising height/speed: 507 mph @ 3,000 feet
- Landing Speed 154 mph (246 kph)
- Auto-land Capability Category 3a
- Length 32.18m (105ft 7in)
- Wingspan 28.9m (94ft 10in)
- Height 11.13m (36ft 6in)
- Fuselage Width 3.8m (12ft 4in)
- Fuel Capacity 20,000 litres
- Fuel Consumption 3,000 litre/2,400 kg per
- Maximum take off weight 58,000 Kg
- Flight Crew: 2 flight crew, 3-4 cabin crew.
- Nitrogen in tyres "because it doesn't expand"
- Munich 914 km / 571 miles Average 1hr 55 mins
Airbus with Easyjet 2013 01
Details not noted
Some budget airlines (EG Ryan Air
) have forced down
prices (great!) & are now apparently worth double the
stock price quotation of British Airways
(amazing!). BUT they do this by over booking seats more than
the traditional majors, & turning away more booked
passengers. That would be fair, if it was like a hotel
booking: You've booked remote by phone but haven't arrived or
paid yet. But the instant they accept you money (even by
credit card over phone/net) they have a binding commitment
& should stick to it or pay considerable compensation.
apparently trying to make them reduce their over booking
quotient, but they claim it'd push up costs - tough ! One
shouldn't accept money under false pretence. Don't take my
word on this, I'm not well informed, & this page will Not
stay current, just be aware of the issue, & obtain better
info elsewhere, EG newspaper, web sites, friends experiences
I gave up flying to UK a few years back,
Totally sick of Easy Jet's chaotic rush to get on board
first & jam the overhead lockers with unregulated giant
baggage that should have gone in the hold.
Not being at the front, their boarding gate/ ramp agents
repeatedly threatened & forbid some of us with smallish
hand luggage to board, & kept threatening to put ours
inc. my smallish laptop bag in hold, despite containing
lots of small valuable & fragile electro stuff &
finance papers etc. Fortunately stewardesses were
reasonable, happily welcomed us aboard, just warned us some
stuff might have to go by feet (mine did).
All 'cos lazy incompetent ramp/ gate agents had
repetitively on successive flights allowed those first on
to flagrantly break their own airline hand baggage size
rules, & carry on & cram in massive bags in the
Exacerbated by Corporate policy to screw passengers for
extra charges for optional hold luggage, encouraging
excessive luggage in passenger cabin, presumably to avoid/
reduce airport luggage handling charges & handling
time, &/or sell free hold space to parcel delivery
More luggage obstructing feet of passengers, more
restricted blood flow to legs, a thrombosis risk for some,
& more deaths in event of fire or smoke, but more
profit to the airline. Apparently Lufthansa also adopted a
similar approach ?
A deterrent on flying Munich = Gatwick, & incentive to
instead use ferries & tunnel
Corrections & new facts welcome if short by email
Other than that, please don't email comment, I don't have
time to answer ! Tell me instead in beer
If after checking, you agree the criticism of any airline
web site is valid, why not mail the offending airline &
ask them to fix their web site ? (webmaster@WEB_DOMAIN is
defined in Internet standards as the official address for
such mail). The more mail they get, the more likely they are
to fix lousey web sites, & make choosing & buying a
Transport In UK
@2013 Tunbridge Wells lists: * 023 - Route Hastings
Eastbourne to London .
TW 09:00(09:15SatSun)-Victoria 10:50, Victoria 18:00-TW
19:40. 3.5 GBP one way @ 2013-01
Fake Airport Name of Munich-West:
18.3.2009 München-West: Ryanair kommt nach Memmingen ...
18.3.2009 - Ryanair hat heute angekündigt, ab Ende April
auch den "Allgäu-Airport" in Memmingen anzufliegen. Von
dem rund 100 Kilometer westlich von München gelegenen
Flughafen will die Airline sieben europä- ische Ziele
anfliegen. Ryanair will ihr neues Engagement am Flughafen
"München-West" mit einer Rabattaktion feiern... mehr:
If one day there might be a Munich West, it won't be
distant Memmingen, it'd be Oberpfaffenhofen, which some want
to make a business traveler's (not tourist) airport, &
locals want to keep restricted as a private airport.