Membership varies, & this page is often out of date. To
contact current more active members, address
(not bg-org_ERASE_@) .
All Year, More Regular Organisers on list
(not bg-org_ERASE_@) , Inside & Outside venues.
All Year, Less regular Organisers on list
Summer Organisers on list bg-org@,
for Outside Beer Gardens
Sometimes with announce privileges with robot for list bg@
Reserves, Not Organisers, Not on bg-org@,
but they mostly have announce privileges with robot for list
Known faces, who have at some time volunteered to
occasionally announce & provide a known face at a
venue, when regular announcers unavailable. More Volunteers please.
More Organisers Welcome
|Phone & Mobile &
||Organiser has one, not for publication
||if a number, not known.
|Yes/ No:Whether person will receive SMS.
|Yes/ No: Whether person will likely spend time
typing a reply on a tiny keyboard, & spend money
texting or phoning back, when sender didn't pay for a
phone call but maybe wanted recipient to spend time
& money on a reply.
||Organiser's personal (not employer's business) web
page, with picture for recognition.
If you've got venue suggestions, welcome. Mail the
organisers on bg-org@
, or even better
suggest it to us in the beer garden/ Gaststaette, when
we're deciding where to go next week.
- We prefer Beer Gardens
that allow self service & bring your own food
- We avoid beer gardens with no easy public transport
(some beer gardeners & organisers go by bike, some
by public transport).
- We prefer beer gardens with a good fallback venue
if it rains. So if you nominate a beer garden, please
also tell us a decent fallback rain venue.
- We have many other varied & partly
contradictory criteria for next week's ideal beer
garden venue. Why not join us this week & debate
with us where to go next week ?
No indoor places with TV football etc.
Keep an eye open for roll up screens & projectors,
easily missed till they come into use).
Even outdoors in beer gardens it's horrible when
football is amplified shouting & flickering on
multiple screens, & there's no corner of the beer
garden where one can avoid it.
The maximum risk is of football (& rugby etc) is
when the big local teams are playing, or teams that
appeal to English speaking viewers in Irish pubs, so
here's some schedules
We try to go at times & to places
where we won't be competing with
football fans for space & noise. Football fans can
be happy, we try to leave `their' pubs with empty seats
Remember 2 halves of football at 45 mins, + a break
of 20 / 30 mins ? + injury time + commentators sometime
keep burbling noise after end of game, + noisier
adverts, + beer garden or pub staff might not turn off
big screens for a while, so allow maybe 2 hours 15 mins
after start till we might hope screens will stop
- Places (not restaurants) that will reserve us 12+
seats by phone not email, flexible if more / less turn
up, & don't require more than 1/3 to eat.
- Places with chairs better than benches, hard to
circulate with benches).
- Bavarian places aren't as popular as other places
with our international, so not so often used (A
dichotomy, as Bavarian beer halls have more chairs,
less tight, & can take larger groups easier).
- Irish pubs: popular for a change, but often
burdened with TV sport, & some not big enough.
- No places where smoke drifts in from nearby
- Not round the corner from where you live ! Not if
you don't often join us, but more likely accepted if
you travel all over town with us most weeks.
- Not way outside the Mittlerer ring on your far edge
- Not speciality places like just fish restaurants,
vegetarian, Eco. (D.: bio), or classy/ trendy expensive
Ideally Saturday 19:30 suits most, but disrupters to
norms include: Corona, TV Football or music scheduled
to pollute venues
temperature, the weather forecast & sudden weather
changes etc, too cold (or hot!) & more stay home.
Generaly people like Saturday early evening meal
time with drinks after not before, we are keen on
outdoors if we can. Periodically organisers (as author)
can ask all attending their opinion.
Years back we met on Friday, but two thirds
preferred Saturday so we moved. Occasionaly we've moved
to Fridays or Sundays, &/or 14:00 for better
weather etc, varying times & venues has a bonus of allowing a few long
unseen friends who usually can't make it.
Sometimes while booking on phone at popular places
for crowded weeks author has been asked by restaurant
to move start time 30 or 60 minutes to avoid other big
groups at the same time. Many smaller groups also start
19:30 & 20:00, so occasionally we've done 19:45
& 20:15 to ensure we won't wait for service.
When booking best use the military 24:00 system:
because "Halb Sieben" German is Not "Half Seven"
English, & some daft Bavarians also use more
convoluted weirdness eg "Drei Viertel Vor Acht" &
beyond. The BG Organiser & succesive bar staff in
ef an Indian restaurant may be mixing English &
German phoning where succesive waiters take & hand
over the call, & they may be flakey or non existant
in one or the other language.
- If you must phone organisers, please use home
numbers at reasonable hours, a short call to a work number
in marginal weather is
- Not all organisers always attend, some not
often, some may work or partly live [way] out of town, but
sufficient to cover for more regular organisers away on
holiday, working, ill, etc.
Organisers have an internal mail list bg-org@, for organising venues etc.
- Everyone receiving bg@
is entitled to write suggestions to bg-org@.
- If you have a venue suggestion, please do not mail
it just to the organiser you know best or were talking
to about it, please instead mail the Organisers list of
bg-org@ so that all organisers
see it. It saves delay, & save the organiser work
forwarding it to other organisers etc.
Helping Organisers, Nominating An
Organiser, Becoming An Organiser, Retiring Organisers
We need a few more known faces who could
occasionally step in as reserves when occasionally
regular organisers are unavailable. So we could check
with you then announce eg:
W ho can you suggest ?
- "__Your_Name__ will announce venue later this
- "Look for __Your_Name__ at 20:00 at ____ Pub,
table[s] reserved in name of Berklix".
Extra Occasional or Regular Organisers Welcome
- If you'd like to help or recommend someone to help
us occasionally, - please tell the organisers.
- Occasionally we use a one off guest spot organiser
- tell us if you fancy organising a one off event.
- We have a Reserve Organisers list that people can
volunteer to join, for those interested in working as
an organiser on occasion.
- We've had up to 9 or 10 organisers simultaneously
on our organisers list long ago, sometimes 3, 5, 6
people come & go.
- Please volunteer to run an event while you can, you
dont have to be on the main organisers list.
- Don't just click to join any
*-firstname.lastname@example.org list, thats not the way they
work. Discuss it at an event.
- You don't need to organise regularly, just
sometimes/ occasionally, ramping up & down as
Being Made An Organiser
- We don't drop you in cold: We recruit people to the
organisers mail list for a while, letting them read how
we decide venues & organise,
before we expect them to work, helping decide &
Joining The Organisers List Is No Free Ride.
- Being on organisers list just to get prior info, or
more say where we go, without working, would be an
abuse of privilege, & would result in removal.
- It's not a way to get everyone to drink your
favourite beer in your favourite bar. (Organisers try
Not to nominate a place near where they live too often,
(though that's getting difficult for Author as his home
area grew very popular in Munich).
- After being on the organisers list a while to learn
the ropes, you are expected to Work, to help choose
& announce & host/ focus at venues.
Mail List CCs
is a strictly low traffic announcements only list.
receives replies from bg@
announcements, & internal organiser only
discussion, replies to announcements should Not be cc'd
- If you want to chat with non organisers use bg-chat@
- When a new organiser is subscribed to bg-org@
the author also removes the moderated bit from that
person on list bg@
to allow the new organiser to announce events direct
un-moderated, after discussion on bg-org@
- All organisers, please be careful to remove any CC:
before replying to other organisers' announcements
posted to bg@
- Normaly reply Just to bg-org@
- Remove any CC: bg@
(that your mailer MUA might have added, if it fails to
obey the Reply-To: directive automatically posted in
all headers to bg@)
- Near all the 200 normal beer gardeners (except
organisers) on bg@
are moderated, to prevent accidental replies from those
who periodically & erroneously CC: bg@
- All organisers should please also subscribe
themselves to bg-chat@
Retiring From Organisers List
- Remaining on the organisers list is a privilege
just for Working organisers.
- When you no longer regularly work as an organiser,
- It avoids others thinking "They've got enough
organisers, I don't need to volunteer."
- It tells organisers to stop hoping you'll get
back to work later.
- It tells organisers to recruit replacement
- It avoids a non performing organiser being seen
as a failure.
- Organisers should periodically review their own
performance , & if they are not doing much enough
work, & unlikely to in near-ish future, should
- Organisers who resign (or are removed for lack of
work) are welcome & encouraged to remain as Beer
Gardeners, receiving announcements. Just no longer on
working Organisers list.
- Making odd comments occasionally does Not count as
being a working organiser.
- If not organising, rather than wait for other
organisers to see you as an organiser failing to
organise, it's better to resign or step down to Reserve
Organiser status [then perhaps volunteer again later
when not so busy].
- Our Alumni list of retired
Some Requirements To Be A Main Organiser
- Much of the following does not apply to part time
reserve organisers, so don't let it put you off
volunteering, but it's what we main organisers aim to
achieve for ourselves.
- Organisers work within a set of conventions/ rules
derived from experience, & [used to be]
automatically sent to each new organiser by majordomo
when joining. Any organiser could fetch the latest copy
as a reminder at any time.
- Organisers need to be self organised people others
can rely on to Organise.
- Organisers do what they commit to do, unless they
warn other organisers in time that they have a problem
& try to arrange substitution.
- Organisers try to remember at this week's venue, to
initiate "Where shall we go next week ?" discussions,
& try to resolve it through to a decision.
- Organisers sometimes we have to change or decide
venue later, eg weather changes or we made no decision
last week. (Lots of criteria
for venue selection.)
- Organisers need to check each week that one of
their colleagues will book, announce & attend venue
- Announce Venue: Some announcements are better than
others. When you've read enough announcements, you know
which were written by someone too lazy or busy, whose
announcements will not encourage new beer gardeners to
attend. A good organiser is by definition not too lazy,
& if too busy, declares it, & gets a colleague
to do the job properly.
- Do not mail
announcements from Roundcube Webmail. The Roundcube
Webmail MUA (Mail User Agent) mail client is
An organiser with that mail client was
often found unwantedly CC'ing internal organiser
discussion to announcement lists, ignoring the list's
Reply-to:. It was not determined if persistent errors
were the MUA (Mail User Agent), configuration
(settings) errors, or human usage, or a combination,
but to prevent spurious CC's on announcement lists bg@
& walk@, mail from Roundcube is automaticaly
silently discarded unseen by human.
See Also: www .
berklix . com / ~jhs / mail / #roundcube
- Organisers act as hosts: They break off talking to
a friend to introduce newcomers, or stir up / shuffle a
less lively half bored sub group & Move people,
encourage seat swapping, discourage people reverting to
long conversations in German, & repel smokers
- The booking organiser reminds waiter at beginning
of the evening each drinker will pays his own bill,
tells people to write on their beer mats, to avoid end
of evening unpaid beers, & Keeps an eye on
customers who might forget to pay all they've had,
accidentally or deliberately. Yes of course
occasionally some customers & waiters forget, make
mistakes, try to cheat up or down, or can't add
- Organisers occasionally have to consult other beer
gardeners & organisers, then diplomatically if
possible quietly tell some misfit, "Sorry, you don't
fit the group, Good Bye !" ( Just occasionally the
group Needs & wants organisers to identify a
problem & & take responsibility to firmly deal
with it (Of course everyone likes to avoid problems,
but it's an organisers responsibility).
- Organisers should encourage the others to recruit
- Organisers occasionally suggest more organiser
Organisers know how to
set their mailer software to send just Ascii Plain
Text, to post to lists, avoiding to send
The list server automatically rejects such junk
- Combination of both HTML + Ascii text enabled
by multipart/alternative is the favourite
format spammers swamp the the list server
- It would wastefully triple the bandwidth
posting to several hundred mail list
- It broke
list footers when using majordomo; Readers need
to see footers, because if they're not seen we
organisers & particularly this author lose
more time answering trivial email list
- (Sending multipart/alternative can also
advertises clueless-Ness / incompetence &/or
regular waste of net bandwidth.)
Alumni - Ex Organisers
- Alumni Thanks to those who have helped organise,
some of whom might again. List in approx chronological
order of resigning (the order would be quite different if
in in order of starting to organise)
Erik, Logan, Omar, Owen, Peter, Frank,
If Ive missed someone, apologies, remind me
To mail the organisers, mail to
(not bg-org_ERASE_@) Mandatory: You MUST Mail from same
address you are listed with on bg@
else your mail will be silently discarded by the robot,
& Not seen by any humans.
Copyright: Julian H. Stacey Munich 2006